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Jason Kilar outlines his plan to take HBO into the streaming age

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HBO Max is already a success, according to Jason Kilar, the Chief Executive Officer of AT&T Inc.'s WarnerMedia.

There are many reasons to doubt this. HBO Max still isn't on Amazon Fire or Roku devices, the two most popular streaming platforms in the U.S.. HBO Max doesn't have a breakout show — by Kilar's own admission. And it's especially hard to believe when Kilar just fired two of the executives in charge of HBO Max. 

But Kilar swears that had nothing to do with performance, and everything to do with positioning a TV company for the streaming era. Kilar knows a thing or two about internet businesses. He worked at Amazon for almost a decade, was the founding CEO of Hulu, and then tried and failed to take on YouTube. (His startup Vessel was a proto-Quibi.)

Kilar spoke with me Saturday about the future of the movie business, his fight with Amazon and competing with Netflix. While I encourage you to read the whole conversation, I thought I'd focus on his view of streaming TV's future here. You can decide for yourself on HBO Max.

All TV is moving to the Internet, including sports

Kilar: Over the next couple of decades, the dominant means of content distribution, including sports, will be internet protocol. You will see a transition from satellite and cable to IP in terms of delivery.

Are you selling individual games? Are people paying for Turner and ESPN+ services? Or are they paying for a bundle?

There will be a bundle. If you could go back in history and start things fresh, you'd give customers a choice of a la carte and bundle. The bundle offers more value, but having a la carte option is also lovely. We don't get the luxury to go back in time. You will see a continuation of the bundle that has most of the major sports.

Only five or six streaming services will matter

Take a look at the past 40 to 50 years in media, and I'll focus on the US. There's been an explosion of content offerings from 3 and 4 channels to 800 in terms of pay-TV, and yet what you see is there are 4 really big ones -- maybe 5 or 6 – that account for a lot of the value.

I think you'll see the same thing happen here. There will be more than 800 streaming services. There will be thousands. But there will be 5 or 6, maybe a little less or more, that will account for the majority of mind share.

HBO Max will be one of them

People forget, but it took Netflix four years to get to its first 1 million subscribers. It took Hulu about a year. HBO Max got there in a matter of weeks.

Because it has better shows than any of its competitors 

When I first joined the company, I did this introduction video from my garage to say hello. I got announced on April 1, and didn't start until May 4. I did my best to allow people to see a face with the name. I did a two minute video to introduce myself and explain why I made the decision to join the company. The first thing I said was 'quality bar.'

We all have quality bars. When I think about Casey Bloys, Toby Emmerich and Peter Roth, the thing that's consistent among their teams and their people is where they place the quality bar, which I'd argue is just a cut above.

Even if it doesn't have a breakout hit

Keep in mind, the pandemic has impacted all of us. When you look at what we launched with — "Love Life," within a week or two, we renewed for season two. It's something I've been personally happy with.

In terms of a breakthrough hit that dominates the pop-culture landscape, it's fair to say we don't have that yet. I absolutely believe it's coming.

Amazon and Roku will cave

As we head into the fourth quarter, when gift giving happens, it becomes a more material situation for a seller of hardware. There are alternatives in the Google Chromecast and Apple TV.

New movies will be released at home -- but theaters won't disappear.

There's a rush to mutually exclusive outcomes -- there will either be a vibrant and huge theatrical business or no theatrical business. I don't see that. You'll see changes in theatrical, specifically different windows. Historically you could see windows of 130 days and longer; that was just the way the world was for decades. I don't think that will be the way of the future.

A few years from now, will you still release movies that stay in theaters for a few months? Will "Wonder Woman 3" be exclusively in theaters for 130 days?

We'll see a shorter window for all movies -- not just romantic comedies, but even for the biggest, most ambitious films.

A programming note: I am going to be off the next couple weeks. (Or try to.) Try not to make any news -- Lucas Shaw

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Is Trump's TikTok ban the end of the open internet?

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Photographer: Drew Angerer/Getty Images North America

President Donald Trump has signed an executive order prohibiting U.S. citizens from doing business with TikTok (as well as WeChat). Trump's actions have angered TikTok's users and also confused national security experts, who say the short-form video app isn't high on the threat list.

Both Facebook and Snap are doing their best to take advantage of this uncertainty and steal TikTok's users. Facebook rolled out its copycat Reels this week, while Snap licensed music so its users could now post Snaps set to songs. Yet U.S. tech companies are also worried this action could inspire other governments to block their apps.

Even if you don't use TikTok, this story has huge ramifications for your life. Here's three ways of looking at it, which aren't mutually exclusive:

  1. This could be the start of a balkanized internet where countries pick and choose what services can operate. While the Chinese government blocks foreign internet services, most of the world has maintained a free and open internet.
  2. The U.S. has allowed China to choke off U.S. companies for too long, and needs to retaliate. It's not that different from rules that once barred foreign ownership of U.S. broadcast networks. 
  3. This is Trump's latest effort to distract people from his administration's poor handling of the coronavirus.

Disney's 'Mulan' experiment

Disney  will release "Mulan" at home for $30, the latest sign that the traditional model of movie releasing is going to change. Disney had been the studio most resistant to changing the current system since it has so thoroughly dominated the box office.

But Disney needs cash, and is trying to build up its online offerings. You will need to be a subscriber to Disney+ in order to rent "Mulan," so this is both a test of online movie rentals and a ploy to drive subscriptions to Disney+.

  • Also in movie theater news: A judge scrapped 72-year-old rules preventing studios from owning theaters. Are we going to see Disney buy a major chain? Unlikely, say Renata S. Geraldo and Gerry Smith.

A workers' revolt in video gaming

Employees at Blizzard Entertainment, the developer of video games Diablo and Overwatch, are pressing their bosses to boost their pay and sharing salaries with one another to prove a point. This is a rare example of labor organizing in gaming, according to Jason Schreier. No major video game companies are unionized.

Musicians attack Spotify's CEO

In an interview with the music blog Music Ally, Spotify Chief Executive Officer Daniel Ek said too many artists hew to the old model of releasing new music every three to four years. Musicians need to constantly release music if they want to succeed in the streaming music business.

Ek's statements went over very poorly with musicians, many of whom feel Spotify has gotten rich without paying them enough money. But rather than acknowledge artists still aren't getting paid enough, Ek suggested musicians are the ones who need to change their behavior.

Hollywood screenwriters won

ICM reached a deal with the Writers' Guild of America, the second of the four major talent agencies to do so. Now every agency but CAA and WME has agreed to end the practice of packaging, which is the reason thousands of screenwriters fired their agents.

This is a stunning turn of events brought about by the coronavirus. The agencies were confident they could outlast the union and divide the writers. But their position changed as soon as the money stopped flowing in.

Odds & ends

  • The highest-paid star on TikTok earned $5 million over the past year, according to Forbes.
  • Live Nation, the world's largest concert promoter, said 86% of fans had not taken refunds for postponed shows. (It still lost $588 million last quarter.)
  • AMC Theaters says it will open theaters in the U.S. this month. (It lost $561 million last quarter.)
  • The creator of "American Idol" and former manager of the Spice Girls will use TikTok to form his next super group.

Weekly playlist

This New Yorker piece on police unions helped me understand why police reform has been so hard to enact. If you are looking for new music, I've included British singer-songwriter Bakar, New York new soul group Phony Ppl on my new Spotify playlist.

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